SADISTIC INTENT Special (COD n°3)
Saturday, 03 January 2015 08:04

1To be honest, I never thought that making a special about Sadistic Intent would be so cumbersome and that it would take so long…. It’s been actually quite strange the fact that even close friends or former members have been so difficult to decide and participate in this special with just a few comments, in some cases taking really long to write something.


But hey, we’re talking about a wonderful band that apparently has the “slow motion” syndrome” and this has spread even to their closest friends. Some may even say that this was the syndrome of many bands that come from LA California, lol... Well, besides the amount of time that took us to make this special, we must say we are really pleased by being able to have another of our favorite bands in our pages, as to do a special with Sadistic Intent felt almost as an obligation; all the Compilation Of Death staff just loves every riff that the band has been able to create and we are sure that many of you who read our fanzine, have the same respect for the band as we have. Ok! I think I’ll end my words here, I can only thank the Cortez brothers for taking the time for this interview, to all those who participated with their comments and you, the reading maniacs interested in what the band had to say in this special. And while we’re at it, we can already say that if you are also enjoying the mighty BOLT THROWER, then prepare your eyes and your mind for our next issue, because we’re trying our best to have them “in deep” among these pages...  (The Exhumator)

 

 



SADISTIC INTENT Interview by Gabriel “The Exhumator” Gatica & Joseph Curwen (J.C)

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1) The Exhumator: After our extensive IMMOLATION special for Compilation of Death’s previous issue, we’ve decided to summon SADISTIC INTENT for a new one and, honestly, all the staff in COMPILATION OF DEATH ‘ZINE are fans of the band (like it could be otherwise), so we welcome you, this is gonna be huge, but we hope you can enjoy this moment in our pages… How’s everything going nowadays? How’s the work in the shop going?


Things are going relatively well. We recently got back from the great Evil Invaders Festival in Sydney, Australia as well as a couple other killer gigs we did in Melbourne and Singapore. As far as work at the shop, we are in the middle of moving and are currently fixing up the new location. We’re just waiting for the city to give us the approval so we can finally open up at our new location.

 

2) The Exhumator: Ok! You are brothers, so I guess one of you inspired or influenced the other into playing and listening to this music. How did all this start for you? Which were the first bands or your first memories from when you started knowing about Metal bands, fanzines, etc…?


Well, even though I’m one year and a half older than Bay, we got into music at the same time. Heavy Metal evolved from Rock and my first memories of Rock music was my parents records of The Rolling Stones, Elvis, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, Jefferson Airplane, etc. Rock is where Heavy Metal evolved from and eventually when Bay and I both got into Heavy Metal, it was at the same time. Before Death Metal even existed, back in 1979 one of our friends who was neighbors with us let Bay and I check out his big brothers record collection and that was our introduction to Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. The bands that we first got into were Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Scorpions, Ozzy, Van Halen, Rainbow, Led Zeppelin, and a couple years later Iron Maiden, Dio, Saxon, Motorhead, Fastway, Motley Crue, etc. A place where we discovered more bands was a cool Rock Metal/headshop which had lots of Heavy Posters on their walls and besides the leather and spikes, they had a good selection of Heavy Metal! We’d go there frequently and the first fanzine I ever picked up was in 1983, apparently it was from the S.F. bay area called Metal Mania, not to be confused with Metal Maniacs Magazine which came out years later. It was black and white printed on newsprint paper but I did not obtain it through the mail, it was actually in the free flyer section of Psychedelic Sounds, the shop I just mentioned. There was only one copy on the floor and I just happened to see it and picked it up. It had features on Mercyful Fate, Motorhead, Metallica, Metal Church, and a Punk section with bands like Discharge, G.B.H. and it even had a write up about Slayer's demo! After getting into Slayer, we wanted more of the faster extreme style of Metal and embraced bands like Venom, Mercyful Fate, Dark Angel, Destruction, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost, Sodom, Bathory, etc. By 1986 we had the inspiration to form a band called Devastation and in 1987 we changed the name to Sadistic Intent when we brought in Enrique Chavez to be the vocalist of the band. At one of our first shows I met this Metal head guy who got into Sadistic Intent, his name was Jessie Pintado of the band Terrorizer! We became friends and Jessie would pick up Bay and I to go watch them rehearse. We knew the whole band but we would hang out with Jesse Pintado and Pete Sandoval the most. Jesse is the one who inspired Bay and I to network through the international underground scene, and it was like a new world that we were eager to explore.

 

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3) The Exhumator: I understand you don’t speak spanish, so I guess you were born in the U.S.A. or you got there at pretty young age. How was this? When did you family decide to go to another country?


We might not speak the most fluent Spanish in the world but I think we do speak enough where we can get by or understood by Spanish speakers. Although we are of Spanish/Mexican descent, we were raised here in Los Angeles, California all of our lives.


4) The Exhumator: I know you’ve always had a strong bond with Mexico and have a lot of fans there… What do you remember from the Mexican scene? Which were the bands and fanzines you liked the most?


I remember the very first time we toured there in 1991, it was Sadistic Intent’s first time ever appearing in a country outside of the USA and the support we received amazed us! We had a couple shows where we drew 1,000 Metal maniacs and we had no idea that would happen! Back in those days, Metal heads in the USA did not really support the underground bands so we really liked the fact that in Mexico, besides the “big” bands, they also supported underground bands like Sadistic Intent! As far as the bands and ‘zines from Mexico of that time, the ones that come to mind are Bloodsoaked, Anarchus, Cenotaph, Shub Nigurath, Mutilador zine and Violent Noise ‘zine.


5) The Exhumator: Do you think SADISTIC INTENT story would be different if you had stayed in Mexico? Which are the main differences between U.S.A. and Mexico for a Death Metal band like yours?


We never grew up in Mexico so in reality, I believe it was our surroundings in Los Angeles that lead us to form Sadistic Intent in the first place. What I’m getting at is, if it was not for our parents living in the USA, life would had been different and it’s very possible that we would not have even formed Sadistic Intent.


6) The Exhumator: Ha! If you go back to 1981/1982, you’ll be able to remember your first and very special approach to SLAYER. I’m saying this because you were close to Jhon Araya, specially you, Rick, I think you went to the same school and was Jhon who introduced you to bands like VENOM and you knew SLAYER was a more Heavy Metal band before they recorded “Show No Mercy”. Can you give us details about this story? Which are you best memories with Jhon and how important is a band like Slayer to you?


My first memories of Slayer are like you mentioned, back before “Show No Mercy” was even recorded. In those days, one of our older Metalhead cousins used to hang out with and tell us about this band that rehearsed down the block from his house, they were called Slayer! It was the Araya family’s home and Slayer used to rehearse in the garage also known as the Club Horizon in the city of Huntington Park, not Huntington Beach like I’ve read in some mags/books. They were right at the end of the block next door to a mini-market store, hamburger stand as well as a couple more businesses. Occasionally when Bay and I would walk to the corner store, we could hear them rehearse from the front of Tom Araya’s house! Back then they were more like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden type of Heavy Metal and I still remember the first time I heard them rehearse because in our case, it was the first time we ever heard a live Metal band in person and compared to a stereo, the instruments sounded even more powerful to me! Seeing the Slayer guys in front of the Araya home every once in a while was normal and I recall one time I seen them loading their gear into a truck, I suppose they had a gig that night. I especially remember they had Marshall stacks (guitar amps) because at that time, that was the Metal amp and seeing that as a kid, I thought that was cool! About a year and a half later, I was in 8th grade, Junior High school and one of my friends would tell me that one of his friends used to hang out with Slayer and that’s how he just got the brand new debut “Show No Mercy”. He had a walkman cassette player and let me listen to it, I was blown away!! A couple of the songs sounded familiar but Slayer had now gotten faster and for the first time I read their lyrics and it was dark as Hell!! On top of that they looked extremely Metal with all the leather, spikes and inverted crosses, like an evil Judas Priest! Not so long after that I graduated from Junior High and moved on to High School. One of the classes I had was photography and one of my new class mates was this long haired Metalhead guy wearing denim & leather. I had long hair as well and he started asking me about Heavy Metal. I noticed he had a Venom “Black Metal” badge and then he asked me if I like them, I told him I heard of them but I had not heard their music yet and then I asked him, “have you ever heard of Slayer?” and he said “yeah, my brother is in Slayer”. He then showed me his ID and his name was John Araya. Soon after I found out that he was also known as Johnny Caveman! Heheh It turned out that he was a roadie for Slayer and to this day, he still is! Going back, we became friends and yeah, he’s the one who introduced me to Venom telling me that they inspired his brother and Slayer. There was a couple times we missed school to go party somewhere! heheh All the Metalhead chics and guys would always hang out after school in the front school yard and some of us would get stoned in the agriculture area then come back to the front listening to different Metal bands cassettes on a radio. Black Sabbath’s Sweet Leaf conjures up some memories! Burn it! Hahah! I also had John’s sister in one of my other classes and that reminds me, after school it was normal to see Tom Araya drive up in his Camaro to pick up his brother and sister for their ride home. By the way, Tom Araya also used to attend our same high school but he had already graduated years earlier. After a while John invited me to his home to hang out, I recall him showing me his electric guitar as well as live Slayer videos on VHS, also live videos of older Heavy Metal bands like Black Sabbath with Dio, AC/DC, Judas Priest, etc. Besides Metal, John would tell me how Slayer was also influenced by Punk bands and he introduced me to some of those bands like D.R.I. and Verbal Abuse. Back in school, I remember him bringing the brand new “Haunting The Chapel” record and telling me that it was even heavier than “Show No Mercy”. Looking back, even though there was a lot of Metalheads in our school, there were only a handful of us who enjoyed the new more extreme Metal stuff like Slayer. I guess it took a while for a lot of Heavy Metal fans to appreciate the music of Slayer but gradually they got bigger and bigger. The last time I hung out with John we talked about those old days when we first met and he told me, “remember how no body liked Slayer back then” and yes I do, Slayer was too extreme for most people those days but for Bay and I, not only did we hail Slayer, they directly got us into Death/Black/Thrash Metal! One of the things that stands out for me to this day is one of the Slayer gig flyers that John passed out in school in 1984 that stated, “the fastest heaviest band in the USA”, I found that very inspiring because of all the Metal bands in this huge country, it was true and eventually when Bay and I started doing our band, that became our goal as well back in the 80’s! As a result of that, we were one of the first Death Metal bands in Los Angeles. Remember “The Ultimate Revenge” video interview with Slayer where Dave Lombardo say’s something like “pucker your lips, grab your crotch, uhhh ewww”? That scene continued to grow and when most so called “Metal” fans here in L.A. were getting wimpier and cornier following false Metal like Trixter, Fireshouse, or Winger, we were getting heavier and faster!! Slayer influenced not only us but many more Extreme (Death/Black/Thrash) Metal bands so it was a big deal when Dave Lombardo went to go see Sadistic Intent live! He seen us at least three times but the first time was back in 1991. He told us that he had heard good things about Sadistic Intent so he wanted to see us on stage and fortunately for us he got into it! He even had a few beers and smoked out with us! A few years later he went to see us again and we hung out backstage. We were getting ready to go on stage so we started putting on our spikes and he told us “you remind me of Slayer when we were young” and we were like fuck yeah! We talked about the influence that Show No Mercy, Haunting The Chapel, Hell Awaits and Reign In Blood had on us! He even did an interview for a big magazine back then called Metal Maniacs and mentioned he seen us live stating that “the opening bands were a joke” but that he really enjoyed Sadistic Intent! The reality of having one of the original members of Slayer do that remains a huge honor!!!  

 

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7) The Exhumator:  What do you think about BLOODCUM? This was Jhon’s band since 1986 and, despite their strong bond with SLAYER, being Jhon brothers with Tom, BloodCum never really took off… I wonder if you’ve ever talked about this…


It’s been a while since I’ve listened to their music but I especially enjoyed their demo and the first ep, it’s a good combination of Thrash & Punk. Yeah, a couple of years ago I spoke with John about Bloodcum but not really about the Slayer bond, just about the band. By 1986-87, Bloodcum became popular here in the Los Angeles area, back then they were known as the band with two of Slayer’s younger brothers, John Araya and Joey Hanneman but the truth is, Joey’s real last name was Fukes, he just looked like Jeff Hanneman, they were not brothers. I don’t know how well they did outside of Los Angeles but having the Slayer connection did help them locally but after a couple years, they kind of fell apart and broke up. I remember the very first time Bloodcum did a backyard gig because it was only a couple of blocks from our home in the city of Bell, so Bay and I walked there to see them! It was a good party, lot’s of Metalheads, beer kegs, burning weed combined with the smell of leather and cloves in the air, even Tom Araya was there. Over time, Bloodcum went more and more into the Punk direction, the guys in the band even cut their hair and got more into Punk. Being in a band, it’s not that easy to become a big international success. Like I said, I did talk to John and he told me that Bloodcum has reformed but that they have new members and he is not in the band anymore. He sounded like he was interested in going back so  I guess we’ll see what transpires...


8) The Exhumator: Do you think that if Jeff or Kerry King had not been fundamental to SLAYER, your friend Jhon would have stood a chance to play in SLAYER?


No, I don’t think so and I’ll tell you why. Before I met John, he actually did have a band with his brother Tom as well as another guy who’d later become a friend of mine named Dimitri Galeos. They basically did Heavy Metal cover songs of bands like Judas Priest, Scorpions, Motley Crue, etc. and they were called Final Glare. Dimitri told me that back in November of ’83 he was there hanging out at John and Tom’s garage and Dave Mustaine went over to meet up with Kerry King, and actually started teaching him Megadeth songs. Tom got there later when Dave Mustaine already had left and he did not like the idea of that happening and with them having some issues, Kerry King was thinking of joining Megadeth. After that, Slayer actually got a hold of a guitar player named Roy Compton who also used to go to my high school, he kind of looked like the long haired Bruce Dickinson and I remember the guitar players in my school all looked up to his guitar playing. When I was in 9th grade, Roy was in the 12th grade and he knew how to play the Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhoads, Yngwie Malmsteen, Iron Maiden, styles so Slayer had him in mind. John was a good guitar player but like Dimitri told me, Slayer was looking for a more advanced guitarist like Roy. Bay and I actually seen Roy’s band play back in 1986, they were called A.T.R., Anxious To Rock, most people I know just called them Anxious. Anyhow, I figured if John ever had a chance, that would have been his opportunity back then. Eventually Slayer patched things up amongst each other and Kerry King stopped playing with Megadeth.


9) The Exhumator: When did you start to feel interested in playing an instrument? Did your parents support you?

 

Actually, my parents bought me a little guitar when I was a really young kid, but since I did not learn how to play it, after a while I just stopped. By the time I reached about 8 years of age, we had a music teacher visit our elementary school and they asked if any of the students were interested in learning how to read music and play an instrument. Guitar was not an option, it had to be horn instruments, wind instruments like trumpets, flutes, or whatever. I don’t even recall the details anymore but I ended up picking the trumpet and looking back, somehow I actually learned how to read music! There were only a few students in that music class and in the end before going to Junior High School, we had to do a concert performance in front of other students, teachers and parents! My very first gig! Hahaha When I got to Junior High, I had music class and that is where I first met Vince Cervera, he also played trumpet and years later he ended up joining Sadistic Intent (1990 – 2001). I had to switch instruments though, because there were only a few trumpets available and all of them got picked right away, so the teacher told me to pick another instrument and it was either choose a tuba, flute or a saxaphone, I grabbed the saxaphone. heheh Once again, I actually started learning the different chords and continued reading music for that different instrument but when I got to high school, I decided to pick up the guitar and stopped playing those other instruments, I was about 14 or 15 years old. I did not really learn how to read music for the guitar but I do remember some of the basics of music that my teachers instilled in me and believe it or not, I still keep that in mind when composing a song for Sadistic Intent. About our parents, yes, they did support us doing the band. As a matter of fact, my dad used to give us rides back in the beginning when none of us even had a car. With all of the gang problems here in Los Angeles, they would much rather have us be band members than being gang members. 

 

10) The Exhumator: Ok, let’s get to the point! Let’s talk about SADISTIC INTENT early years. When was the band formed and how? How did the original members meet and how hard was to give life to your first 1988 rehearsal (“Morbid Faith”).

 

Well, in reality Sadistic Intent kind of evolved from our previous band from ’86 which was called Devastation and to answer your question, we met in school. Even though the Sadistic Intent line-up changed by 1988, I basically consider the ’88 line up the original and that was Bay Cortez, Enrique Chavez, Joel Marquez and I. We actually met through a Punk Rock guy named Alex Martinez who had gotten kicked out of South Gate High (which is where Enrique and Joel attended) and got sent to our school Bell High. I recall him saying “you guys are all Metalled out” and would tell us about these guys that were into the same style like us from South Gate, then he asked if we’d like to meet them and we said yeah. He brought them down to check out our band Devastation, and that’s how we met Enrique and Joel who were already in a band called Warmonger. Our vocalist in Devastation was not into Death Metal like Bay and I, but we tried to make it work out. He wanted to follow the footsteps of Metallica in which like he told us, that the songs can get radio airplay. I admit I enjoy the Cliff Burton era Metallica but when it came down to it, with our music we wanted to do a different style and push the envelope even more and got inspired by the heaviest and fastest bands of the 80’s! Eventually it got to the point that our vocalist started skipping rehearsals and no longer wanted to do the more aggressive style of Metal that Bay and I wanted to do. Since we were already familiar with Enrique’s vocals, that is when we ended up first getting him in our band and changed the name to Sadistic Intent! A few months after that it was time to find a new drummer as well and that is when Joel Marquez joined us! Looking back, I would say it was not that difficult to give life to our ’88 Morbid Faith rehearsal. Although we did put effort into coming out with the music, I believe that back then we were not as picky as we are today. Rather than shoot down each other’s ideas, or get very critical of the sound or our recordings, we would just do it. That rehearsal was recorded at a friend’s garage in the city of South Gate, he invited us to rehearse in his garage and one day Joel brought his home stereo and hung up a cheap microphone in the middle of the garage to record the band live. At the time we could not afford to record a demo so it felt like “better than nothing” and we released the rehearsal to the international underground scene of 1988. Next thing you know, we actually started getting mail from Metal heads interested in or telling us they enjoyed Sadistic Intent from different countries around the world! Getting back to Alex Martinez (the guy who introduced us to each other and helped Sadistic Intent get together), sadly, before our first EP was released he was shot in the head walking home one night. We heard that the guy who killed him, mistook him for someone else. 

11) The Exhumator: Do you remember the old logos? Who draw them? Who draw the logo you’ve kept ‘till these days?


If you’ve seen those old backyard gig flyers from the late 80’s, they were usually hand drawn by different people, or there was some cut and paste involved. We knew some of the people who drew those flyers but there is some that we will never know, especially after so many years. Since each gig flyer back then used to be hand drawn, a lot of times that included the band logos which were not official and sometimes they looked very shitty! Hahah However, one of the guys who sometimes would draw our flyers including our different logos was a friend of ours known as Legionz! So yeah, he’s the guy who drew our three logos officially used by us through out the years. After a while, we figured that we better stick with the one we use today and even though Bay and I kind of modified it a tiny bit, Legionz is the artist who actually created it. Like we all did back in the 80’s, Legionz used to drink quite heavily but he got into some trouble that changed his life. One of the last things I heard about Legionz is one night he was drunk driving and when the police tried to pull him over, he attempted to speed away and leave the cops behind, but he ended up crashing onto a curb knocking his axle off the car!! He went to Jail and because of that and other things going on in his life, he moved away out of state and we have not heard much about him since.

 

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12) The Exhumator: I remember old Sadistic Intent’s logos seeing some flyers from old gigs. When did you first play live? Do you remember that time and did you have any adventures?


The first Sadistic Intent gig was a backyard party in South Gate and from what I remember, we played with some Punk as well as Metal bands. I think there had to be about 100 people in attendance and I remember seeing a group of skinheads there. Back then, sometimes the Skinheads, Metalheads or Punkers did not really get along but we did not have much of a choice but to play together. A lot of the Punks and even Skins were actually ex-Thrashers and generally the only Metal bands they still had respect for was Slayer, Motorhead and Venom. You see, back in those days we basically were not allowed to play in the clubs, especially in the famous Hollywood Sunset Strip (The Whiskey, Roxy, etc) unless you were Rock N Roll or Glam. By that time, old school Heavy Metal was sort of fading away as far as young bands coming out and like I said, we tried getting booked in those clubs but we could not. So we either had to rent out halls or play at back yard gig partys! Being that HardCore Punk and Crossover had gotten very popular in Los Angeles by the late 80’s, a lot of times we would do shows with those bands because that was the heavy stuff back in those days. Truth is, a lot of the Punkers were actually former Metalheads who had given up on Metal when a lot of the bands had softened up their styles. Just to give you one example, by the time Celtic Frost did “Cold Lake”, is when bands like Cryptic Slaughter were gaining momentum. Some people would tell us that our type of Metal was dead and would even make fun of us when we’d play but you know what, we refused to change and kept it Metal! Getting back to our first party, I remember being a little nervous but it ended up being good while it lasted because the police showed up after only a few songs. Even though the cops stopped us from playing, we hung out there and got pretty fucked up, it was our first gig so we celebrated! Heheh As far as adventures, we went through a lot of different stuff in the back yard days, lots of partying and everything that comes with the drunken debauchery. Honestly, in the first couple of years, musically we went against the grain so to speak. Although there was Metalheads in L.A. at that time, they were mostly into the bigger established Thrash Metal acts and they were not into Death Metal. The other big crowd was the HardCore Punks and Crossover fans and once again, they were not really into Death Metal. We enjoyed the darker heavier style of Thrash as well as the more aggressive type of Punk/Crossover but we obviously enjoyed Death Metal and by combining all those influences, I think it gave us somewhat of a unique style of Death Metal. But like I just said, back then Death Metal was not popular, it was still underground. So when we played live in those early days, it was not unusual to have some hecklers talking shit to us. Both the Thrashers and Punks did not like our vocals and the Punks would make fun of us for headbanging saying that we were too Metal. Our attitude was, if they think that’s too Metal, let’s get even get more Metal and we gradually got more leather, more spikes, and if they didn’t like it, we didn’t care! It was really random back then, one day we would get a good response and another day it would not be very good, I guess it depended on the area and other bands on the bill. We kept on doing our thing and little by little we started to build up a following. Another band that even had a harder time with the crowds was Terrorizer. Jesse used to call me and ask if I could help them out to get some backyard partys and I did, but like I said, the L.A. scene back then was not used to the kind of music that was spreading in the underground. One time they played and literally no one there liked them, the whole crowd stood away from the stage area so all of us in Sadistic Intent got in the front row and started head banging and Thrashing around for them. As far as adventures, well, we had several. Looking back, we used to get into a lot of crazy situations, one time Bay and I stood behind at a party because we wanted to drink some more beer and we figured we’d get a ride home, but when the party was over we could not find a ride! We were in a ghetto part of L.A. and as we started the walk home, down the block we seen a big gang fight in the middle of the street, then we started getting shot at by one of those gang members! We ran and jumped over a fence of a construction site and got away as fast as we could! Luckily no bullets hit us! So we got to the nearest big street and it turned out that the bus service was closed after midnight! Fortunately we met this other guy there who also went to the party and he was friendly, telling us his brother was on the way and offered us a ride to the city of Bell, where we lived in at the time! A few months later we did another backyard party and when the police sheriff’s showed up, some guys started throwing beer bottles and rocks at them! So the police called back up and a there had to be like 20 more cop cars that showed up and they came with riot gear! The cops raided the party and they literally were hitting everyone that they could, including the girls!! They got to our amps and drums then hit them with their clubs and knocked them over!! I tried to grab my amp head and a cop swung at me, I jumped back and he barely missed! He cussed me out, came at me so I ran! It was chaotic, one of our roadies got hit on his arm and he said that it was painful! With all of the chaos happening we got split up and I went to my friends car, actually his moms white car which was stained with a lot of blood on the hood! The cops looked at me and told me to get away but I let them know I showed up in that car, so they told me to get in and one of the cops opened the unlocked door. I then saw a Thrasher next to the car face down on the street with a puddle of blood around his head. Apparently the cops beat him hard and the neighbors were complaining to the sheriff deputies that they got carried away with their beatings and then the cops actually told the people “first you call us and now you’re complaining”, and they argued for a little while. Later on I heard that the guy who got beaten on my friends car actually sued the city and won a huge settlement!    


13) The Exhumator: Some of you might remember the band being close with the guys from BRUTAL ASSASSIN, BLOODCUM, F.C.D.N. TORMENTOR, BLOOD LUST/LAST RITES, SILENT SCREAM. But, which were the bands you were the closest? I mean the bands you used to play with in a regular basis and you had a few beers and stuff like that… Any funny anecdotes from those days?


Well, you’re specifically talking about the 80’s and although we knew a lot of bands, we didn't really hang out with many of them and if we did, it was not always the whole band that we’d hang out with, but with certain members. Anyhow, the bands that come to mind would be Terrorizer, Darkness, Archenemy, Bloodcum, L.K.K., Brutal Assassin, and there's probably a couple more I’ll remember later. About beer stories, well, it's not super funny but I’ll tell you one that comes to mind. One time we visited this guys house (who lived in South Gate and I’ll just call B), actually hanging out in the garage drinking some beers with a few friends including one of guys from a popular L.A. Punk band at that time called L.K.K. His name was Steve and he was already there with his friends. He was the guitar player who previously used to be in a Thrash/Death Metal band called Archenemy, the original L.A. band, not the Swedish. By the way, Michael Ammot actually admitted that he took the name from the underground L.A. band, who’s drummer Kenneth is a friend who actually used to go to my high school as well. Getting back to the story, it was about 6:00 PM or so, we already had a few beers and then we heard about a party going on, about a 15 minute car ride away. So the L.K.K. crew had their car and we had our car. We went to the liquor store and bought more beer and then we drove towards that party. While driving, some gang members got next to us and started doing their gang signs at us, it was 4 of them in the car. One of my Metalhead friends (Tom the beer drinker) in the front seat started fucking around acting like he was doing gang signs and then he gave them a middle finger and we all laughed! Hahah Then B who was next to me in the back seat, pulled his pants down and stuck his ass out the window! We didn’t expect that but at the time we were buzzed and found it funny! heheh Those gangsters got pissed off and they threw a couple beer bottles at our car. We got to a red light and two of them got out of their car and kicked our passenger front door, opened our back door kicking B who was next to me! I know it’s sort of fucked up but I actually kind of found that funny! Heheh One minute he’s showing his ass out the window the next he’s getting it kicked! Hahah The other guy continued kicking the front door and our driver said “they’re fucking up my mom’s car”, so he passed the red light and they started chasing us! The L.K.K. guys were a couple cars behind and were not sure if it was us being attacked, then they seen us speed away and they followed! We ended up stopping a couple blocks away and the gangsters stopped down the block. The L.K.K. guys parked next to us and Steve said, “let’s beat the shit out of these fuckers and take their car”! He then got in the middle of the street and told them “come down here”! We were like fuck it and joined in! They just stared “mad dogging” us doing their gang signs and about a minute later we heard the police sirens on the way! So we all jumped in our cars and left to the party! With all the shootings in L.A., especially in those days, I got to admit, that was a pretty dangerous situation and I’m glad we came out of it okay. We have had several friends killed so we were not and do not encourage looking for trouble, it just sort of landed on our laps and that was the roll of the dice outcome that time. In retrospect it’s pretty funny though, especially when our friend did the gang signs with the middle finger surprise! Fucking classic! Hahahhah!

 

14) The Exhumator: Let’s talk about the band’s first rehearsals. I’m talking about the time you had that band name DEVASTATION that gave life and room to SADISTIC INTENT. Where did you use to rehearse? How often did you rehearse?


Devastation used to rehearse at our parents house, actually in the garage in the back yard. That was our home in the city of Bell but we stopped after a while because we started getting complaints from the neighbors and they called the police. One day we were rehearsing and in between songs we heard someone knocking and when we opened the door it was two police officers. So they told us that we needed to stop because our neighbors were complaining. Our singer then told them “we’ll just get a permit from the city” and the cop then said “they don’t give permits for noise”! hahah That actually made us laugh! After that, we started rehearsing at our drummers house/garage in the city of Maywood and from what I remember, that was on the weekends. Several months later when Sadistic Intent came to be, we ended up coming back to our garage and we would practice about two or three times a week, stopping at about dusk time. We spoke with one of our neighbors and she told us that the reason they called the cops was because her grandma had a headache, and if they ever wanted us to stop again, she would let us know. Fortunately they never stopped us or called the police again.


15) The Exhumator: Now that I’m talking about DEVASTATION, was this the same line up that would form SADISTIC INTENT later or was it a completely different band?

 

Like I elaborated on earlier, our Devastation vocalist basically wanted to follow in the same footsteps as Metallica so after that line-up change, Devastation minus the vocalist is the same line-up that became the very first version of Sadistic Intent. Starting with Devastation, originally Bay and I were both on guitars but that very first Sadistic Intent line-up only lasted a few months and although we did record a demo in 1987, we did not release it. Our bass player wanted to play total Punk like Wasted Youth, and our drummer wanted to play Hard Rock like Guns N Roses so they both left the band. We tried but could not find a bassist so that’s when Bay started playing bass and that is when Joel Marquez joined us on drums.   

 

16) The Exhumator: If we talk about SADISTIC INTENT’S first musical influences, we could name bands like SLAYER, BLACK SABBATH, VENOM and, of course, POSSESSED… But after all these years, the band has gone thourgh a growing process, you’ve achieved a sound of your own and I guess you could explain which is the formula for a band like SADICTIC INTENT to go after all these years without any changes to your style. Do you think the musical inspiration has changed through the years? What’s the limit for the changes in the style for a band, according to you?

 

I feel that over the years Sadistic Intent has gradually evolved, kind of like a newborn growing up. However, I think you can say we fall into the category of bands like AC/DC or Slayer, in the sense that they’ve evolved a bit over the years but not too much to the point where they are a completely different style. Compared to 1987, it’s only natural since then that we’ve matured but after all these years, our musical inspiration has not changed much and that is why our style has not drastically turned into something else over time. Don’t get me wrong, we try to make our songs sound different from each other, and I believe we generally succeed with that, but we’ve kept it inside the realm that Sadistic Intent is known for. As far as a limit, honestly, every band can answer that for themselves, some bands change in an acceptable way for me and some do not. Being that Sadistic Intent formed in the 80’s, I think that’s why we’re stuck in that era, musically that decade has everything that inspires us to this day.   The

 

17) Exhumator: Regarding the 1988 rehearsal,, this was a live one. Can you give us details about this first recording? How important was Jhon Fender from the Fender’s Ballroom back then?

 

Well, that rehearsal had songs like  “Horrid Thoughts”, “Outcasts Of Society”, and a lot of the songs that later appeared on the “Conflict Within” demo. Like I mentioned earlier, we recorded it very simple so it’s not an actual demo recording, it’s a basic live garage tape but it did help us to get booked by John Fender. Which by the way, he was very important in the scene back then, he was the owner of Fender’s Ballroom and that is where a lot of Metal and Punk bands toured through such as Destruction, D.R.I., Kreator, Final Conflict, Exodus, Discharge, Celtic Frost, King Diamond, GBH, Dark Angel, Cryptic Slaughter, Possessed, Dr Know, Voi Vod, Excel, etc. Our dad used to work for John Fender, he had a construction business back then and my dad told John Fender, my son’s have a band and they would be great at one of your shows. My dad then had me talk to John on the phone and he asked me if we had a demo and I told him all we had was the “Morbid Faith” rehearsal tape. Well, he said he could not promise anything especially because he was not the promoter, but that he would listen to the tape and then make a decision. A week or two later, he ended up listening to the tape and he actually told me “that’s a crazy ass garage recording but I like it”! He told us I’ll keep you in mind for a show and about a month or so later, we got word about our up coming show which happened to be with Dark Angel, Dr Know, Forbidden and I forget the other band but we were the opener! Fenders Ballroom was a large size club in downtown Long Beach and it was packed with Thrashers and Punkers! John Fender said there was like 2,000 people in the venue and we actually had three pits going on at once, it was insane!! Because of the good response we got, the promoters of the show invited us to do some more shows!    

 

18) The Exhumator: Metal fanzines and tape trading was something members from many bands did back then, everybody was very active creating music and also how to spread it… You were not exception, I know you both and your former sinfer, Enrique Chavez, had a fanzine called DEADLY DISTORTED NOISE. How would you rate this experience? Why did you decide to release a fanzine too? How many copies did you relkease and how was the whole process of contacting bands, the layout, printing, etc?


We did the fanzine to help spread the underground that we were a part of and to rate it, I’m glad that we were around in that era to do what we could for the movement and experience those early days of our scene. Because of the fact that it literally took more effort to know the underground scene at that time, I believe that people who were into it generally were a bit more dedicated because like I said, in order to obtain music, fanzines, tape trade or communicate with other diehards around the world, it was not a simple click of the mouse. Heheh I’m not trying to insult the modern generation of Metalheads, the technology today is here and in reality, the computer is a useful tool. However, we’re talking about a special time that in my opinion, still kind of exists but not exactly how it used to be. As far as the inspiration to start the fanzine, well, the music itself inspired us. Not to mention, one day we took Enrique to Jesse Pintado’s house and Jesse told us how to do a fanzine and inspired us to start up a ‘zine. Once it was complete, we literally would go to gigs and go up to Metalheads, show them the fanzine and I remember some of them saying things like, “I never heard of any of these bands, why is it in black and white?”. By the way, some of those bands we featured were Autopsy, Mayhem, Terrorizer, Immolation, Grotesque, Impetigo,   Sadus, Deceased, Evil Dead, Dr Shrinker, Necrophile, Samael, Exmortis, Black Prophecies, Soothsayer, etc. Enrique was the editor in chief and came out with the name Deadly Distorted Noize. Bay and I helped out, especially on the first two issues and from what I remember, it was three issues and that was it. We had a decent response from bands, after getting in contact with them, they would send the interview answers back with a photograph and logo. Those were the days of cut and paste so the layout had that type of look and being that Bay was actually a printer, he ended up helping out with that. D.D.N. ended up releasing three issues and the first two issues were about 100 copies and the third was 400 copies.

 

19) The Exhumator: Which were the best moments you had creating DEADLY DISTORTED NOISE? Do you think fanzines are important for bands like SADISTIC INTENT? Do you think fanzines used to have a more important role back then?

 

I would say some of the best moments for me were some of the friendships that we made with other people in the underground scene. Not to mention the killer music that was sent to us! Hand in hand with that, just knowing that we did our best to promote and spread the underground movement gave me a sense pleasure and accomplishment. Fanzines were and are very important for bands like Sadistic Intent! The fact is that fanzines helped to spread our name in many different countries years before the internet became a household item. Considering that was realistically the only way for an underground band to have it’s name promoted around the world to it’s target audience, yes, I would say the role of fanzines back then was more important. Once again, I am not trying to put down the role of todays fanzines, but back then that was the only way to find out about underground bands. It’s just a fact, today the internet has become the primary means of communication, including underground webzines, blogs, forums, social media, etc. However, it’s great to see that there are some printed fanzines still around, I really appreciate it to this day when a fanzine gets a hold of us and let us know they support Sadistic Intent! I know it still takes patience and dedication to get a fanzine done and I hope it’s something that will never fade away.   

 

20) The Exhumator: Were there any other fanzines from your área? Which were the fanzines that supported SADICTIC INTENT the most? Do you remember the first interview you answered?

 

Besides the ‘zine that we did, not many fanzines that I remember from Los Angeles back in the 80’s except for Filth ‘zine, and The Wild Rag which was more like a catalog/zine, but by the early 1990’s there was Into The Void, Betroth ‘zine, Black Goat, Extinction Of God, Stress Related, Deadly Lacerations, Regurgitated Noise News, and in the 2000’s Bulldozer Mag and last but not least, Metalstorm ‘zine, put together by a Sadistic Intent diehard and a supporter of the underground cult, easily one of the greatest fanzines to ever come out of Los Angeles! Over the years, we recieved support from hundreds of ‘zines worldwide but unfortunately I can’t remember every single one of them, so I'll name the ones that come to mind. Either these 'zines gave us very positive reviews and or interviews, and some of them even featured us on the front cover! Here are the names that come to mind at the moment: Voices From The Darkside,  Holocaust Mag, Tales Of The Macabre, The Black ‘zine, Moondance Mag, Pagan Pages, Morbid Mag, Occult Grinder, Death Through Metal, Putrefying Mass zine, Laceration, Carrion ‘zine, Master Of Brutality, Nosferatu ‘zine, Trechoma, Mutilador zine, Sleepless, Eternal Fire zine, Temple Of Lucifer, Final Holocaust, Mass Genocide, Diabolical Force Mag, Subcide Zine, Mutilation,  Tantrum, Spikehead, Zympony zine, Deathbite, Aberration, Stench Of Blood, Revelation, Asmodeus ‘zine, Testament, Dark Oath, Rot Mag, Aaaarrghg Mag, Violent Noise ‘zine, Corrosion, Brainstorm Mag, Putrefaction, A View Into The Abyss, Dying Terror Mag, Desecration Of Virgin, Noise And Shit Mag, Bleak zine, Bells Of Acheron, Tales From The Grave, Musick Magazine, etc. etc… Most of ‘zines are actually from over 20 years ago so although I am surprised I remembered them (thanks to some help from Bay), there is still more that I vaguely recall but I just can not remember all their names. If one of those 'zine editors happens to read this, my apologies to you for that. Same thing goes for the very first interview, I guess that's something I should have made a note to myself but unfortunately I do not recall that at this moment, and the more time passes on, I doubt I ever will. 

 

21) The Exhumator: Were there any bands you weren’t able to interview for DDN? When and why did you realize you couldn’t continue releasing any more issues?

 

Well, it's not so much that we could not interview a band, it's more like we interviewed a band that we really wanted but then the issue never came out. That band was Kreator on tour for "Extreme Aggressions" and Mille did the interview! We actually drove down south to Tijuana B.C. Mexico, where Kreator was headlining at a nice club called Iguanas. We were there early and Mille asked us if we liked drinking beer, then he told us drink all you'd like, so we started drinking! We did the interview and by soundcheck, I was already pretty hammered. heheh We were like, fuck yeah, we're going to have Kreator in the next D.D.N. but unfortunately it did not make it to the press. As far as the 3rd and final issue, well, by that point it was Enrique doing all the work and I remember him telling us that he was losing money doing the ‘zine and it only made sense for him not to continue anymore.  

 

22) The Exhumator: After that first rehearsal, the band records their first demo tape in “CAGE” studios, which is now a cult collector item, I’m talking about “Conflict Within”… How was this period for you? Can you tell us about the recording process and the creation of the tracks?

 

That period was filled with good memories, we were all teenagers and we got along well and we liked to party! Heheh We all wanted to record a demo and we saved up some money so we could do so. Since we already had gotten introduced to Javier Muro of Cage Studios through the vocalist of our previous band Devastation, that is where we wanted to record. Cage Studios in reality was a garage studio in the city of Montebello. The reason they called it “Cage” studios was because when they re-built the garage to be a studio, for some reason they temporarily stopped working on it and just left the wood framing up, which sort of looked like and reminded them of a cage. Javier had a 16 track board and a ½ inch reel to reel machine. From what I recall, the way we recorded “Conflict Within”, the drums got the microphones and he told us to play live with our amps at a low volume and partitions in front of the amps to block the sound from going into the drum microphones. From what I remember, Joel finished his drums tracking pretty quick. After the drums got recorded, next was the bass, guitars and finally the vocals. For the mix, I remember we wanted to make sure that the cymbals were cutting threw the mix because back then, a lot of the copies of demos had low cymbal sound. With cassettes, when you make a copy of a copy like tape traders did, the cymbals would come out low. Anyhow, in the end I think it came out a little too trebly but that’s the reason why. As far as the creation of the tracks, well, it was basically the Thrash, Death Metal & heavier faster Punk stuff that inspired us to come out with those songs on Conflict Within.  

 

23) The Exhumator: Where did you get inspiration for the lyrics and the “non-musical” background from? Why did you decide to use that drawing for the cover of “Conflict Within”? How many copies were released?

 

Looking back, I believe some non -musical aspects would be the area we grew up in, it was a tough neighborhood and Bay and I got into several fights with other kids as we were growing up. It’s not that we were troublemakers, it was like either you fight back or be insulted and pushed around. It’s just the way it was and honestly, it gave me this relatively angry feeling that’s difficult to put into words but it made me attracted to the edgier darker side of things. Lucky for us, our dad enjoyed horror movies and as young kids in the late 70’s, Bay and I were really fascinated by films like “The Exorcist”, “Dawn Of The Dead”, “The Omen”, “Suspiria”, “Zombi 2”, etc. Not so long after that, Bay and I got attracted to Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, even though it was looked down upon by many in mainstream society, and deemed as "blasphemous" by the religious types on television, we were into Metal! I remember wearing my AC/DC "Highway To Hell" t-shirt at school and some kid told me that AC/DC stood for Anti Christ Devil's Children and that I was going to burn in Hell! Honestly, that was a scary thought but we enjoyed the music anyway and didn't care if everyone in school liked it or not! We felt a connection to the music and few years later when it evolved into Thrash/Death/Black Metal, we wanted even more! I know we’re talking about non musical influences so getting back to what I was initially saying, in our reality, that was the medium that helped propel the energy behind Sadistic Intent. By the time we formed the band, we had neighbors killed literally right next door to us on the left and on the right, not on the same day but about a year apart. Death is real, I’ve witnessed it and I know our environment directly or indirectly guided us towards the path that we’re on today. The cover of Conflict Within was drawn by one of our Punk Rock friends who went to high school with us. His name was Art but he was also known as Fart Bone. He just drew the art and gave it to us before the demo was released, but it was not meant for anything, he just drew it and gave it to us at lunch time in school. Anyhow, we looked at it and felt that because of the monster coming out of the guys body, it was like a Conflict Within bursting out so in that sense, that is why we chose that cover. We did not even bother trying to find more art for the cover back then, we just quickly decided for that to be it and that was that. We used to dub (record cassette copies) them from our stereo at home and if I recall correctly, we did just about 500 copies that went out worldwide. We used like two brands of “medium” cassette tapes, the “high” were too expensive. One of our friends recently paid over $100 for that demo and guess what, it was a bootleg. He said he liked the music anyway but felt that paying that much money he expected an original.  

 

24) J.C: You have a long story behind and I’d like us to talk about your LINE UP. We all know the Cortez brothers are the “core” of S. I. However, some all members have left a mark in the band. Let’s remember the times with Joel Marquez. What do you think was his main contribution in the old days? Did you listen to his work in the drums for Infinitum Obscure? Are you still in touch with him?


Well, with all of our drummers, we’ve always told them what to play as far as what beats we want in the songs/riffs we write but, they are free to come out with their ideas as far as the fills and rolls and sometimes even modifying the drum beats. Joel Marquez was very creative and worked really well with us. He came out with ideas that fit the songs very well and although we’d tell him to play a beat a certain way, sometimes he’d put his own little twist to it. Even Joel did not record the drums for Ancient Black Earth, he is the one who originally played those beats for those songs and when Emilio came in, he pretty much learned what Joel had already completed. Joel was a really good fit to the puzzle. Yeah, I heard his drumming he did for Infinitum Obscure which is a different style than Sadistic Intent but Joel played those songs quite appropriately! Since Joel no longer lives in Los Angeles, we don’t keep in contact as much as we used to. He’s been living in Tijuana B.C., Mexico for several years now, so it’s a little rare for us to hang out like we did back in the old days. However, every once in a while we’ll talk on the phone or see each other and things are still friendly between us. When Joel first left back in 1991, Danny Herrera tried out for us, that was shortly before he joined Napalm Death. Like I mentioned earlier, we always tell our drummer what kind of beats we want in our songs but the thing with Danny was, Napalm Death was already his favorite band and he wanted to play total GrindCore! So when he tried out for us, he was turning a lot of our beats into blast beats! Needless to say, it didn’t work out and a few months later he got a call from Jesse Pintado and got the gig with Napalm Death, he’s still in the band to this day. We’re still friends and I’m glad he made it into Napalm Death, he went from never really being in a band to joining his favorite band! Kudos to Danny!


25) J.C: Let’s keep in the drummers subject and tell us, why did Emilio Marques leave the band? You were together for years, any anecdotes to remember?


In reality, he did not leave the band, to be honest, it got to the point where we no longer wanted to be in the band with him. Anecdotes, well, I guess there are but I can not think of one to mention right now.


26)  J.C: How was working with fatso Nick Barker in the drums? Did he fit S. I. style as you expected? You know, a lot of “specialist” and “purists” got outraged, since they didn’t like his previous work in Cradle of Filth…


First I would like to say that Nick Barker is cool as fuck and when we needed help, he was there to give us a hand, that's a friend. Although we’ve hung out several times with Nick, we only got to play with him once. That day he visited us when Jeff Becerra was also there so we all had some beers and ended up playing together, mostly doing a few Possessed songs. However, we did do some Sadistic Intent stuff so I know first hand that he is a great drummer! Also, he actually has enjoyed the music of Sadistic Intent for years now! If he lived in Los Angeles, I know he would fit in well and he knew that he could do it too. We hung out and partied with Nick Barker and talked about music so I can tell you that he knows that Sadistic Intent was not going to try and sound like Cradle Of Filth, that was not ever going to be a problem with us. Speaking of partying with Nick, damn, that guy is a maniac, he’s the type of guy who’ll be the last man standing. heheh Also, although he’s cool he’s down for his shit, I wouldn’t ever want to disrespect him.


27) J.C: Is Arthur Mendiola the definitive steady drummer for S. I.?


I’m glad to say that Arthur’s drumming has come a long way since day one and yeah, he is our steady drummer now!


28)  J.C: I’ve always been interested in the way people who’s been into the underground for years live, maybe “survive”. Do Dark Realm or the band pay the bills? Or you have to keep “regular jobs”?


Well, over the years we’ve worked different jobs because the reality is, we also need money to survive. Being in the underground for this many years, it takes a devotion, we actually had to change our lives to continue on with the band. Sadistic Intent is what inspired Dark Realm Records to begin with but the money we make is not much. We could be making a lot more money if we dedicated our selves to another career but the fact that we’ve experienced things that we never thought we’d ever do with the band, that’s something I don’t regret. Although like I’ve said for many years now, I have nothing against a band becoming successful and actually make a living off their music, just as long as the band does not compromise.


 29) J.C: Your musical history started through Tape Trading. With the current world communications revolution and all of its pros and cons, what do you think about downloadingmusic. Promotion or whoring out? Does music downloading make hard to keep a record store? Did you use some strategies to keep your store for almost 20 years?


I try to be optimistic when I look at the internet revolution of today so as far as downloading, although it could be seen as stealing, I look at it like promotion. Back in the old days, we spread the music by tape trading and band's didn't get paid for that, today it's downloading, not exactly the same but ultimately it's spreading the music. I just hope that if more and more people get to know our band that way, hopefully they’ll enjoy our music enough and perhaps create enough demand and have us appear in that area or maybe order a shirt from us. Sometimes people who download music end up liking it so much that they’ll actually want the official release in their hands. Unfortunately, with the current economy the percentage of that is not much and for a record shop like us, it means it’s gotten a lot more difficult to stay in business. From what customers have told us, they really like the shop because we’ve been dedicated to Metal for many years now, as well as the atmosphere of the shop and selection of items available at their fingertips. By the way, if they do buy enough, they get free CD’s or t-shirts and that is something they like as well.


30) J.C: Old chilean fanzines from the 90s showed a lot of interest in Sadistic Intent. Do you remember your interview for “Tiempo Brutal ‘zine” or any old contact from Chile? Any old or current Chilean band worth mentioning?


Honestly, I remember being in contact with a few people from Chile back in our demo days and over the years we got in contact with several more people. I remember the name Tiempo Brutal ‘zine. But I don’t remember the interview, but I’m pretty sure if I see and read the particular issue, it would spark up my memory. I do know and had the pleasure of hanging out with Huaira of Noise And Shit Mag, which is a killer Chilean fanzine! A couple old Chilean ‘zine’s that I recall from back in the day are Death Noisse, as well as Abhor ‘zine. Band wise, Attomic Aggressor is an older one I like, a newer one I enjoy is Communion and of course I can not forget Unaussprechlichen Kulten!


 31) J.C: Another thing that gets my atrtention is when bands work with a “producer”. I’m used to imagine is a annoying guy sticking his nose in the band’s work and with commercial interests, putting the band in second place… For “Second Coming” are you thinking about working with a producer? How was working with Bernie Versailles?


About working with a producer, we tried doing that once and I would say that what you said is pretty much the way it is. We thought that letting someone produce us would make the music sound better but we found out the hard way that it’s better for us to do the producing ourselves. We’ve been doing this long enough now where we know what kind of sound we want but I have to admit, it is challenging. Regardless, I would rather not work with a producer but perhaps for some bands without studio experience, a producer might work for them if they’re not sure of how to shape their sound. Juan Garcia is actually the one who recommended that we work with Bernie Versailles. Like I told them, I first discovered Agent Steel through John Araya in 1985 and remember buying the “Skeptics Apacollypse” LP back then so it was cool to know them personally years later. As far as working with Bernie, he was basically the “engineer” and I was doing the producing. I enjoyed working with Bernie, unfortunately he was busy and did not have much time to work on our recording and then he ended up moving out of state. Ultimately we did not finish the recording and then to top it off, the recording ended up getting damaged when he mailed it to us. We call our bad luck the curse! heheh


 32) J.C: “Satanism” Do you consider yourselves Satanists? Luciferists? Antichristians? Do you align or “simpatize” with any doctrine like La Vey’s Satanic Church or the Order of the Nine Angels?


Starting with the ancient Hebrew translation of satan, it simply meant the adversary. To put that into perspective, anyone who did not believe in God was the adversary, Satanic. As time went on man has improvised and updated the Bible but Satan now a powerful character still remains the adversary, the opposing force. Many lifetimes later, the fact is that we are adversarial towards God in all his different religions and would most certainly be deemed as Satanists in that respect. When you think about it, the reality is if we were to go back in time some centuries ago, our beliefs and our music would actually be punishable by death! Perhaps we don’t even have to go back in time, if we travel to an overtly religious region with the ultimate of stupidity, there are those who think they’ll go to heaven for killing blasphemous people like us, so as I was saying, that might even be the case today! Therefore Satanism for me is personal, both spiritual and philosophical but it is not something that I have to obey like a typical religious fanatic. I’ve met different types of “Satanists” who’s interpretations are almost opposite of each other and yes there are several doctrines or beliefs and they have their variations, but like religion I do not believe I have to follow any books or rules to fit in with any of them, and I really do not care if anyone considers me a Satanist or not. Like I mentioned, meeting different Satanists, just like God, I have not seen any real proof of an actual Satan or any actual hocus pocus results from any book, in reality it’s just the other side of God’s coin. So I see it as two basic ways to look at Satan, either you take it the same way people believe in the fairytale of God, or metaphorically grasp it as an Unholy article of knowledge that chips away against the hypocrisy of God’s kingdom. Knowing that it is man who first created polytheism and then later brought about monotheism, historical facts are that the Holy Scriptures are of human origin. Therefore it is man who composed the story of God and Satan, and I am compelled through Sadistic Intent to help create an opposition against religion which in essence, the delusional sincerely believe in the mythological heavenly dictatorship that is God, and eagerly condemn all of us “sinners” to not only death, but to the eternal fire torture in Hell!! Our music generates a force against the Holy Doctrine and that is why they oppose us so much, because the truth is, within our own reality, the darkness is real and it prevails…   

 

33) J.C: Does wearing the “inverted cross” or the “pentagram” hold any special meaning to you?


Very much so, it is because of my spiritual and philosophical beliefs which I just elaborated on in my previous answer, that I wear my inverted cross as a symbol of freedom from the celestial enslaver…


 34) J.C: Simple and accurate! Why forming and keeping a band all this time? You know, recordin sessions, tours, interviews. Personal gratification, fun, passion?


Like we said in fanzines well over two decades ago, Sadistic Intent is not a trend or part time hobby, it’s our lives and it’s spiritual element has kept us going regardless of anything.


 35) J.C: Which is the concept behind the name SADISTIC INTENT? Is it just a “good name” or is there a message hidden in your logo?


When we came out with that name back in 1987, we actually thought of eight names that we had to choose from. We did not have the internet back then, as far as I know it didn’t even exist yet. Therefore, we did not have a “search engine” to see if another band already had picked those names or not. We figured some of the names were good names but perhaps there already was some other band around the world somewhere who thought so as well. So, on top of picking a name that was original, it had to fit our musical style well. With the logo, I’ve had people tell me different things but most commonly that they can see the devil horns. Honestly, we don’t necessarily see it as a hidden message, we’re a Death Metal band so if they see dark elements in the logo, all the better.


36)  JC: Regarding your fans and generally people who listens and follows S. I. Do you expect your audience get any “messages”? You know, this “magical” and “brainwashing” combination that is merging lyrics and Metal (music), making, especially, young people to “listen and obey”. How do you see this?


If we have that much magical brainwashing influence then I say, support Sadistic Intent for the rest of your lives! hahah


37)  JC: I’m holding in my hand a couple of S.I. bootleg vynils in my hands: 2008’s “Conflict Within+Resurrection” and “Dark Sadistic Metal”, which were pretty expensive and the editions are really bad, honestly. What do you think about bootlegs? Is there any you’d recognize as “official”?


As far as the bootleg vinyls, the ones that I’ve seen have all been inferior quality, the only one that I thought came out decent was the “Dark Sadistic Death Metal” picture disc but the sound quality was not very good. At least they put some effort into the overall packaging and seemed like it was a fan who put all the music together. I understand that sometimes when people really enjoy a band and their music is hard to find, in some instances a diehard fan will bootleg their music and put it together as sort of a tribute to the band. Then you have the other bootleggers who for example put photos of the wrong members so you can tell they’re not really fans, they only want to make money off the bands name and do not give absolute shit about the quality. With bootleg releases, we can choose to see the glass half empty or half full, for years we’ve chosen the latter until one changed that perception for us. To answer the second part of your question, no, there is no “official” Sadistic Intent bootleg.


38)   J.C: Speaking of bootlegs… What about the latest one? It says it was recorded live in Los Angeles, California 02/05/2000. Are those really the place and the date? Did you use to play tracks from “The Second Coming” in the year 2000? Are the five track featured only “rehearsals” or “samples” or are they the definitive versions of the tracks?


I just talked about the perception changer, this is the one with that deliberately deceitful album description claiming that it had mint studio sound along with the asinine excuse to justify them stealing our music. We started thinking maybe it's this or that recording and were curious to listen to it and yeah right, there is nothing “mint’ or “studio” about it! I only listened to it once so I don’t recall all the details except that the sound quality was shitty! The date seems correct and we did play tracks from “The Second Coming” back then. Necropolis Records, our label at the time requested those songs and from what I recall of that show, the crowd was pretty wild, pitting, bodies flying and they even accidently disconnected a guitar at one point. With all that in mind, those songs will become definitive versions once they get properly recorded. Who ever put out that bootleg insulted us, stole our music and it really sucks to see the fans pay expensive prices for something with our name and work on it, especially without any quality control whatsoever from us.
 

39) J.C: I guess you aren’t getting any richer with the sells of your records, but, do you feel flattered by the “recognition” your records get in Ebay, selling at really high prices? Or you see it as a dumb trend and a waste to spend all that money?


You guessed right. To answer your question, it's not like I'm constantly monitoring e-bay to see how much other people are profiting off Sadistic Intent, but I am aware of what's going on and I suppose I'm flattered. My reasoning for that is, I can imagine if every Sadistic Intent record only sold for like one penny, or worse yet, did not even sell at all, you know, I don’t think that would be flattering! Heheh There’s been a few times that I’m aware of when our records have sold for well over $500 and I was somewhat amazed of that. I do not see it as a trend though, I just see it as some people have the money and if they really want it, they buy it.


40) J.C: S.I. is a band with a great on stage presence for me. Any formulas to set up the ambient you need to play live? Do you remember your presentation in Chile in 2007? Can we expect an eventual “Second Coming” to Chile?


I appreciate that J.C. Not necessarily any formulas, with the live presentations, we’re into our music and do our best to create an energy that draws in the audience and reciprocate the atmosphere with Sadistic Intent! With an underground band like us, when we get invited to another country we need to fly in and with all the expenses, we’re kind of constrained to keep things basic on stage. Nevertheless, yes I remember Chile and it was amazing! The theatre it self was great and honestly was better than what we expected. We were definitely impressed by the Extreme Metal scene of Chile! As far as going back to Chile, that is up to the promoters out there but from our side, we’re ready to return!


 41) The Exhumator: Well, can we talk about the band’s releases? Can you tell us about each one of them independently and give us all the details of them, music, lyric and visual wise? Can you define with you words the essence in each one of them?


I’ll give you some insight to our releases but in the end, the listener is the one who makes the subjective interpretation...
CONFLICT WITHIN – Those songs were mostly written in 1987 and 1988 so we were all teenagers and the music was inspired by Thrash, Death Metal and the aggressive type of Punk. Lyrically, over all the lyrics mostly dealt with death in a kind of unique way I would say. Before we ever played at any club, those are all songs that were written during our backyard gig party days and we played them all live back then. Naturally we were still developing our style but for that time, especially here in Los Angeles which was basically the Glam capital, our demo was quite heavy and aggressive! Recorded at Cage Studios, it captured that moment in time.
IMPENDING DOOM – Before the recording of Impending Doom, Jesse Pintado introduced us to a guitar player named Charlie Gonzalez and he joined our band for about a year, by the way, Terrorizer used to practice in his house. Charlie became more and more into GrindCore and as were about to record our ep, he joined Terrorizer. Once Jesse Pintado left to join Napalm Death, Terrorizer basically broke up until they recorded “World Downfall” with a different line up. We got signed to Wild Rags back then and we felt that we needed to record with a bigger mixing board so we booked time in some Hollywood studio. Our label told us they would provide a studio budget but when the time came, we had to pay. We had no choice but to borrow money and hurry up, it was expensive compared to Cage Studios. Musically I believe we showed a little growth right after our demo, especially with the song "Lurking Terror". There’s a lot of parts in that song but it works for us, old school Death Metal Sadistic Intent style. “Morbid Faith” is also on there and it was our oldest song on that release but we felt it simply had to be featured on our debut ep! Hanging out with and watching Terrorizer rehearse, it influenced us musically and lyrically to come out with “Existence” and “Impending Doom”, which are basically about the reality of death in war. As far as the cover art, like with our demo, once again we got lucky and an artist just gave Charlie the drawing before the record was even recorded. When we were done we looked at it and said, this is actually going to fit with the title of the ep so we used it. The artist known was known as Kisser187 and he’s no longer alive. Charlie who was close to him told us he was murdered a few years after Impending Doom was released. When the sound got mastered, they put too much bass on it and honestly, if we ever re-release it, we'd like to do it with a remixed sound.

A CALM BEFORE THE STORM –  We went back to Cage Studios and that was our first recording with new guitar player Vince Cervera and our final one with vocalist Enrique Chavez. I feel we continued to progress but recording wise, since we didn't have much money we wanted to do it as quick as possible so we tracked everything live, except for the vocals. Bay's friend had borrowed my amp before the recording and it blew out on him so he took it to get repaired but when the day came to record, it wasn't ready so Javier the owner of Cage Studios lent me his little Peavey combo amp. We had partitions in front of our amps to prevent the sound from going into the drum mics too much and we just went for it. It was a really quick in and out session and considering all the recording factors, it came out okay. The songs were more Thrashy Death Metal and lyrically we were somewhat influenced by prophecies of mass destruction and the visions of damnation. We did not have any artwork and then Bay found this hand somewhere and did a cut and paste approach with the hand holding our logo, we liked it and used it. For whatever reason we did not put the date on the ep, but at the latest it happened to be early 1991. Not very long after that Enrique left the band and moved out of state, Bay took over on vocals but then a few months after that, Joel ended up leaving as well and moved out of the country. 

RESURRECTION – We tried out a few drummers but could not find one who could play our style well. So for a little over two years, Sadistic Intent was Bay, Vince and I. During that time we ended up coming out with a few new songs and in mid 1993 I called up Joel who was living in Mexico city at the time, to ask him if he could at least just record a few songs with us. I figured maybe he could fly in, record and then go back but he told me that he missed the band and that he wanted to come back and stay for a while. As soon as he returned we got invited to open up for Death in L.A., then we once again went back to Cage Studios to record our songs. With the title track, to be honest I was stoned when I came out with that song. Back then I had an effects processor and I was going through all the different sound effects, then I came across this preset sound that I really liked, and it just flowed out. In my head I could hear the keyboards so I called up Joel Herrera (Danny Herrera’s brother) to see if he could lend us his keyboards and he did, he even showed me a couple chords I could use. Listening to that instrumental, we pictured the dead rising from a graveyard in the middle of a dark forest and with Sadistic Intent returning from obscurity, it made sense to make it the title track, the properly titled "Resurrection". Musically and lyrically it was basically still Sadistic Intent, and we even re-recorded a couple songs because we wanted to have that connection to our past. With our newer songs on that ep, I feel that we once again we moved forward, and it marked the beginning of the next chapter which holds a special significance for us. Lyrically, the songs deal with death, in different ways but that’s basically it. Visually, we wanted to continue with our streak of black and white artwork so we altered a blurry skull face by drawing over it and it worked well with the title of the ep. With Sadistic Intent nearly breaking up it was as if the band had returned from the dead, it all felt appropriate. Together with the atmosphere of our photo, the graves, the packaging works well with the music and overall captures the dark vibe we wanted to summon. One more thing, Cage Studios ended up getting shut down by the city, so that was our final recording there.
ANCIENT BLACK EARTH – Originally, we wrote those songs with Joel Marquez on drums but as he encountered different problems like losing his job and home, he left the band once again. We already knew Emilio Marquez (no relation to Joel Marquez) and when his band was not working out, he called us and asked if we still needed a drummer and that was that. This time we used a different studio and our sound changed a bit compared to our previous recordings. I think musically it was a continuation from "Resurrection", and lyrically a bit more blasphemous with the title track. The artwork was courtesy of an artist from Cuba, we wrote to each other a couple times and then he told me he wanted to draw something for Sadistic Intent. Bay and I actually sketched out the cover art of the demons attacking the church and mailed it to him. Not so long after he got back to us with his version of the cover that I believe fit very well with the title track. Truth be told, at first Ancient Black Earth was only meant to be an unreleased demo. We only wanted to use it for promotional use with record labels, which we did and after a while we decided to release it as an MCD. 

ETERNAL DARKNESS –  This was actually a split 7” that we did with our friends Ungod, a Black Metal band from Germany. We wrote this song with an impious state of mind that we just wanted to make an oldschool Unholy Death Metal song, I think we succeeded. As far as the artwork, we met the artist one night at an after party at his house. He showed us his art and the only one that we liked was the artwork we ended up using for Eternal Darkness. When the idea of the split happened, we already had the cover art.

MORBID FAITH – Iron Pegasus Records asked us if we had any songs available for a 7” and we ended up turning in this re-worked version of “Morbid Faith”. We experimented changing the song and we actually recorded it twice at two different studios to compare the results and decide what studio we’d record at next. Kind of like “Ancient Black Earth”, it was not meant to be released but obviously we changed our minds. The other test studio recording of “Morbid Faith” ended up on the “Thrashing Holocaust” compilation CD released by Necropolis Records. Little did we know then but that would be the final recording with Vince Cervera as well as Emilio Marquez.  

 

42) The Exhumator: What about the covers for SADICTIC INTENT releases? Who’s in charge of all this? Do you give a concept for the drawing?

 

Looking back throughout the years, Bay and I have been in charge of the covers. On my previous answer I mentioned some of the stories behind the cover art, so as far as giving a concept, it really depends, some times we do and sometimes we don’t.  

 

43) The Exhumator: With a Little humor, many could compare your “Second Coming” with Christ’s second coming, haha! You know, both are taking a lot to come… What the hell is going on guys? How much longer shall we wait for this record?

 

I think Jesus Christ will be here first! Hahahh Seriously, it’s a very long story that puts it all into perspective but I’d rather keep it as brief as I can. We tried recording “The Second Coming Of Darkness” and nearly finished it not once, but twice! The first time we went into the studio to record our full length, we lost well over $20,000, that’s a lot of money for us! That alone took a long time, it’s not like we were in the studio everyday, a lot of times we’d have to stop for a few months in order to generate more money to continue paying for the recording. On top of that, the producer then got a lawyer involved and tried to get more money out of our record label! They had no choice but to hire their own lawyer and then began the red tape battle that took even more time! Subsequently, the recording almost knocked us out of business and we literally needed a few years to get out of the hole of debt we were in. Eventually we ended up trying to record it again with Bernie Versailles and due to his schedule it was a slow process but in the end it wasn’t meant to be, the recording got damaged. Then the economic recession hit the USA and financially, we simply could not afford to record it again and with all the other problems we experienced, we decided that’s it, we just put it on hold. It was then when we Jeff asked us to do Possessed with him which we did for a few years and although we knew one day we’d record “The Second Coming…”, we were going to record as the other band first. When that era abruptly came to an end for us, we then had to find another drummer and the search began. After trying out a few drummers, it took some time but fortunately we did find one (Arthur Mendiola)! Also, because of all the bad luck we encountered trying to record our album, we decided that we wanted to get to the point where we can do it ourselves. With the recession hitting taking a toll on us, by the time we bought all the gear and actually learned how to record ourselves, it took some years but we got our studio running! I guess now would be a good time to bring up that we’re just about finishing up a new ep that we’ve titled “Reawakening Horrid Thoughts”! This ep was not really planned, it was sort of a last minute idea and we ended up recording one of our newest songs  which is actually the very first song we (Bay and I) wrote for Possessed but like I told Jeff, “keep your lyrics and we’re keeping our music that we completely wrote” and thus “Malignant Spirits” came to be, also on the ep will be one of our oldest but re-worked songs from 1987 called “Horrid Thoughts” and a cover song of our old underground friends, the mighty Darkthrone, we chose the appropriately titled “Fuck Off And Die”! After all of the shit we’ve been through, it makes perfect sense! I had a conversation with Fenriz about our upcoming Darkthrone cover, I wanted to make sure he did not mind us doing it and he said, “do it, do it now”! hahah We figured that we’d start our very first D.I.Y. recording experience with this ep, and we were confident that we’d at the very minimum do a decent job. We tracked everything ourselves but when we got to the mix, our computer could no longer handle the job. Luckily we had our new friend Sebastian offer his help to finish up the mixing process with us at his home studio. It’s been a long time since we’ve actually finished a recording and we’re excited about the way it’s sounding! Back when we did “Resurrection” we felt it was a new beginning, and this ep for us, also marks a new chapter and it made sense for us to use the art work of Matt Putrid which is basically a new version of the “Resurrection” face. Perhaps by the time you read this, our “Reawakening…” 12” vinyl ep shall be out through Iron Pegasus Records. They will carry one version, and we will have the other.  

 

pentacle

 

44) The Exhumator: What can you tell us about your next Split record with PENTACLE? Any opinions about Wannes and co.? How was the idea for this Split born?

 

Well, the plan is for the split to feature two songs each and we have two brand new untitled songs that we’ve been thinking about for this split. However, we also have a very old song from 1986 that we’re considering to record so we’ll figure that out soon… We’ve known Wannes for like two decades now and he’s always been a great friend and a total diehard! We’ve had the pleasure of sharing the stage with Pentacle in Germany a couple times and they are killer!!! All of the guys in the band are good friends of ours. I don’t exactly recall how the idea for the split was born, I think Wannes might have brought up the idea to Bay years ago. Everything about doing a split with them is right so it’s something we look forward to and it shall be total fuckin’ oldschool Death Metal!!   

 

45) The Exhumator: Will you keep working with Iron Pegasus to reléase “The Second Coming”?

 

We’ve gotten along great with Costa Stollos, and I have nothing but positive things to say about Iron Pegasus Records. We’ve been getting different offers for years now but we have kept on working with Iron Pegasus Records. Costa once told me that for “The Second Coming…”, it will probably have to happen with a bigger label. At this point in time, all I can say is we’ll figure that out when the moment comes… 


46) The Exhumator: Which are the synonims you think best represent SADISTIC INTENT as a band?


Enduring, Stubborn, Sacrilegious, Metal…

 

47) The Exhumator: You recently had the chance to tour Europe. How was this experience? Which are the places from Europe you liked the most, both, knowing and playing in? (We even know Putrid Matt gave you his interpretation of the “Resurrection” cover that he painted as a tribute for our special)

 

Touring Europe was amazing, like a dream come true! When we started this band, we never imagined we’d ever go to Europe and actually have crowds of Metalheads enjoy what we do! It’s hard to say which places I liked the most because we literally enjoyed all of them! I still have memories of Finland, Italy, Norway, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Holland, Belgium and even the smallest venues of Switzerland!! We met Matt Putrid in Germany, very cool guy and killer artist! Like I mentioned a little earlier, we’re going to use his drawing for the “Reawakening Horrid Thoughts” cover art! 

 

48) The Exhumator: How often do you answer interviews? Is it something you like to do or it gets boring?

 

I don’t have a schedule with interviews, I do as much as I can handle. Life usually keeps me very busy nowadays and unfortunately I have not been able to answer every interview. I do not mind doing interviews, just as long as I have the time. The way I see it, who ever is doing an interview is usually a person who enjoys what we do and I’m grateful that they would like to have Sadistic Intent in their ‘zine. 

 

49)   The Exhumator: Ok, we’re reaching the end here. Can you tell us your plans for the band for this 2013? After releasing your long awaited “Second Coming” will we have to wait for another 10 years for you to deliver a record like the latest MORBID ANGEL? Hahahahaha.

 

Actually, you’re going to have to wait another 10 years just for “The Second Coming…”! hahah As far as plans for what’s left of 2013, Iron Pegasus Records will soon release our “Reawakening Horrid Thoughts” ep scheduled to come out spring 2014. Besides playing live here in Los Angeles, which is coming up very soon for us, I think we’re going to then concentrate on getting the two brand new songs completed and rehearse them enough until we feel comfortable enough to record them for the Pentacle split. Bay and I are also going to make an appearance on the new Urgehal LP! By the way, Urgehal are one of our favorite Norwegian Black Metal bands ever! Then in early May 2014 it looks like we have a two week tour throughout the Midwest and East Coast of the USA! At the end of May we have a gig scheduled in Mexico City and we also have some other things in the works, so be on the look out for Sadistic Intent in 2014!!   

 

50) The Exhumator: Ok! Thanks for your participation and making this special a reality…

 

Thank you very much for your time, your answers and the great music you’ve been able to create… See you in Hell!!! Thank you very much for featuring Sadistic Intent in Compilation Of Death, we’re honored! Fuck, my brain is exhausted!! Heheh Seriously, we appreciate your support, may Compilation Of Death keep spreading the Diehard Metal Cult!!! Before I depart, I’d like to salute those of you who enjoy our music, you’ve certainly helped motivate to keep Sadistic Intent alive for over 25 years now, fucking hails!!!